Comments on: Fluid Futures http://fluidapp.com/blog/2008/06/10/fluid-futures/ Free Site Specific Browser for Mac OS X Leopard Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:55:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Kevin http://fluidapp.com/blog/2008/06/10/fluid-futures/#comment-266334 Kevin Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:47:19 +0000 http://fluidapp.com/blog/?p=461#comment-266334 Likewise, looks like Safari 4's Save as Web Application feature will lend credence to Fluid. Yes, different audiences... basic and advanced needs. Likewise, looks like Safari 4’s Save as Web Application feature will lend credence to Fluid. Yes, different audiences… basic and advanced needs.

]]> By: Jon Fabritius http://fluidapp.com/blog/2008/06/10/fluid-futures/#comment-266309 Jon Fabritius Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:43:04 +0000 http://fluidapp.com/blog/?p=461#comment-266309 With an interest is SSBs, Apple may also come up with new stuff that in turn benefits Fluid. This could be under-the-hood stuff in WebKit, or something in AppKit, or even some cool UI conventions that are easy to, uh, be inspired of ;) With an interest is SSBs, Apple may also come up with new stuff that in turn benefits Fluid. This could be under-the-hood stuff in WebKit, or something in AppKit, or even some cool UI conventions that are easy to, uh, be inspired of ;)

]]> By: Todd Ditchendorf http://fluidapp.com/blog/2008/06/10/fluid-futures/#comment-266307 Todd Ditchendorf Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:27:14 +0000 http://fluidapp.com/blog/?p=461#comment-266307 @cawlin, thx man!! @Theo glad you like Fluid!! However, I think we'll have to agree to disagree on what makes a great SSB. To me, the single most important feature of an SSB is to make any given webapp feel like a *fully native* desktop application. What makes Fluid great is that it is a *thoroughly* native, Cocoa Mac application. Cross platform apps (tho they may have many other benefits for the developer) will never be able to match the fidelity of a native Cocoa app on OS X. So I don't see Fluid's Mac-only nature as a weakness, but rather as its greatest strength. @cawlin, thx man!!

@Theo glad you like Fluid!! However, I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on what makes a great SSB. To me, the single most important feature of an SSB is to make any given webapp feel like a *fully native* desktop application.

What makes Fluid great is that it is a *thoroughly* native, Cocoa Mac application. Cross platform apps (tho they may have many other benefits for the developer) will never be able to match the fidelity of a native Cocoa app on OS X.

So I don’t see Fluid’s Mac-only nature as a weakness, but rather as its greatest strength.

]]> By: cawlin http://fluidapp.com/blog/2008/06/10/fluid-futures/#comment-266306 cawlin Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:46:59 +0000 http://fluidapp.com/blog/?p=461#comment-266306 I don't think safari 4 will bring nearly as many features to the table as Fluid does. The best part of fluid is that you can add your own support for services with dock badges, growl etc. I don’t think safari 4 will bring nearly as many features to the table as Fluid does. The best part of fluid is that you can add your own support for services with dock badges, growl etc.

]]> By: Theo http://fluidapp.com/blog/2008/06/10/fluid-futures/#comment-266305 Theo Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:34:13 +0000 http://fluidapp.com/blog/?p=461#comment-266305 Hi Todd, I love Fluid. However, I really think the killer SSB will be one that runs cross-platform (Windows, Linux, too). The ability to distribute an executable to all my customers regardless of their OS means I could restrict my web application is a single browser (e.g. safari) and not have to worry about browser incompatibilities... GODWILLING! Anyhow, rock on. -Theo Hi Todd,

I love Fluid.

However, I really think the killer SSB will be one that runs cross-platform (Windows, Linux, too).

The ability to distribute an executable to all my customers regardless of their OS means I could restrict my web application is a single browser (e.g. safari) and not have to worry about browser incompatibilities… GODWILLING!

Anyhow, rock on.

-Theo

]]> By: Todd Ditchendorf http://fluidapp.com/blog/2008/06/10/fluid-futures/#comment-266304 Todd Ditchendorf Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:39:55 +0000 http://fluidapp.com/blog/?p=461#comment-266304 @Marc @Gerard, thanks for your support! @Ed I'm not going to speculate on future features from Apple. However, I will say that I fully expect to be able to differentiate Fluid from any other SSB products on the market. No one else currently offers MenuExtra SSB functionality, Userscripting, Growl notifications, Dock badges, custom window styling/opacity/levels, a Cocoa UI plugin API, CoverFlow views configurable by CSS, Split view browsing (BrowsaBrowsa Plugin)... etc, etc. And I'm just getting started! I have many more innovative features planned for Fluid. Bottom line: I'm not worried. :0] @Marc @Gerard, thanks for your support!

@Ed I’m not going to speculate on future features from Apple. However, I will say that I fully expect to be able to differentiate Fluid from any other SSB products on the market.

No one else currently offers MenuExtra SSB functionality, Userscripting, Growl notifications, Dock badges, custom window styling/opacity/levels, a Cocoa UI plugin API, CoverFlow views configurable by CSS, Split view browsing (BrowsaBrowsa Plugin)… etc, etc. And I’m just getting started! I have many more innovative features planned for Fluid.

Bottom line: I’m not worried. :0]

]]> By: Gerard http://fluidapp.com/blog/2008/06/10/fluid-futures/#comment-266303 Gerard Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:56:55 +0000 http://fluidapp.com/blog/?p=461#comment-266303 Same here - never heard of Fluid or SSB's nor even been aware of a need for such a thing until I came across a TUAW post today. Same here - never heard of Fluid or SSB’s nor even been aware of a need for such a thing until I came across a TUAW post today.

]]> By: Marc http://fluidapp.com/blog/2008/06/10/fluid-futures/#comment-266302 Marc Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:18:00 +0000 http://fluidapp.com/blog/?p=461#comment-266302 Well, I think the developer is correct in his analysis. I had never heard of Fluid until I stumbled upon it from a MacRumors link talking about the Safari 4 feature and It's something I've really been looking for. In fact, it does 99% of what I already wanted and looks like it's on track to be a great solution to some of the problems I wanted to address. I also think Apple will only be implementing this half-heartedly. Probably no extra scripting or growl integration. Great job and keep up the excellent work! Well, I think the developer is correct in his analysis. I had never heard of Fluid until I stumbled upon it from a MacRumors link talking about the Safari 4 feature and It’s something I’ve really been looking for. In fact, it does 99% of what I already wanted and looks like it’s on track to be a great solution to some of the problems I wanted to address.

I also think Apple will only be implementing this half-heartedly. Probably no extra scripting or growl integration.

Great job and keep up the excellent work!

]]> By: Ed http://fluidapp.com/blog/2008/06/10/fluid-futures/#comment-266301 Ed Thu, 12 Jun 2008 06:21:25 +0000 http://fluidapp.com/blog/?p=461#comment-266301 @Todd - I think the RSS example isn't quite right because Safari never intend to complete with delicate RSS reader in the first place. Yes like you said they help promoting RSS by adding simple RSS reader to Saferi. However this time around they are adding an exact completing feature to Saferi. If Saferi was only a 30% RSS reader. Saferi 4 will likely be a 70%+ Fluid alike. Not that i am discouraging you to continue to develop it. Since completion is always good. But i am just wondering, just wonder.... Would you feel extremely angry if Saferi 4 did turn out to be 90% Fluid like? @Todd - I think the RSS example isn’t quite right because Safari never intend to complete with delicate RSS reader in the first place. Yes like you said they help promoting RSS by adding simple RSS reader to Saferi.

However this time around they are adding an exact completing feature to Saferi. If Saferi was only a 30% RSS reader. Saferi 4 will likely be a 70%+ Fluid alike.

Not that i am discouraging you to continue to develop it. Since completion is always good. But i am just wondering, just wonder….
Would you feel extremely angry if Saferi 4 did turn out to be 90% Fluid like?

]]> By: Todd Ditchendorf http://fluidapp.com/blog/2008/06/10/fluid-futures/#comment-266298 Todd Ditchendorf Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:36:10 +0000 http://fluidapp.com/blog/?p=461#comment-266298 @Jason thx for the vote of confidence! :0] @Matt Keychain support is on the TODO list... and I'm beginning to think I'll add this sooner rather than later due to a new Fluid-related project to be released soon... (also free).. stay tuned! :0] @Dogzilla Considering how much better Fluid is than any SSB product available for Windows, I can understand why you'd like a Windows version ;0] However, Fluid is thoroughly Mac-only and this is really one of it's greatest strengths. No least-common-denominator, cross-platform approaches here. Fluid is a best of breed Mac SSB, and will stay that way. @Abbi As I've stated in the past, Fluid will *always* remain freeware and also free of advertising. No worries. As for NNW going freeware... I really don't think that was a reaction to Safari's RSS features at all. Rather, it was a reaction to other free RSS syncing services like Google Reader. @Jason thx for the vote of confidence! :0]

@Matt Keychain support is on the TODO list… and I’m beginning to think I’ll add this sooner rather than later due to a new Fluid-related project to be released soon… (also free).. stay tuned! :0]

@Dogzilla Considering how much better Fluid is than any SSB product available for Windows, I can understand why you’d like a Windows version ;0] However, Fluid is thoroughly Mac-only and this is really one of it’s greatest strengths. No least-common-denominator, cross-platform approaches here. Fluid is a best of breed Mac SSB, and will stay that way.

@Abbi As I’ve stated in the past, Fluid will *always* remain freeware and also free of advertising. No worries. As for NNW going freeware… I really don’t think that was a reaction to Safari’s RSS features at all. Rather, it was a reaction to other free RSS syncing services like Google Reader.

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